Discussion:
Ford Scorpio Cosworth 24 Valve 2.9 BOB engine information wanted.
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Paul
2004-08-02 21:07:11 UTC
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Hi,

As a TVR S1 owner I have put a Ford Scorpio Cosworth 24 Valve engine in my
car.
It is a 2.9 BOB engine and I am looking for all information on the engine I
can get.

So whatever info you got will be most welcome.

Especially I am interested in how the engine can be diagnosed.
What kind of protocol is used (RS232 with a VT100 terminal) or is it
something more special. Specific diagnostic software. Where can I get find
it in case this is necessary?

Where do I find info about how to link up the computer to the engine's
management system.Information on ECU etc.

Thanks in advance,

Joost van der Velden.
(Using my friends e-mail address).
Q***@quickwatchsales.com
2004-08-03 00:22:56 UTC
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Apparently on date Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:07:11 +0200, "Paul"
Post by Paul
Hi,
As a TVR S1 owner I have put a Ford Scorpio Cosworth 24 Valve engine in my
car.
It is a 2.9 BOB engine and I am looking for all information on the engine I
can get.
So whatever info you got will be most welcome.
Especially I am interested in how the engine can be diagnosed.
What kind of protocol is used (RS232 with a VT100 terminal) or is it
something more special. Specific diagnostic software. Where can I get find
it in case this is necessary?
PMW - pulse width modulated - you can get converters into rs232 from various
places such as www.obd-2.com
Post by Paul
Where do I find info about how to link up the computer to the engine's
management system.Information on ECU etc.
With one of the above.

Totally useful site for the engine as well, www.fordscorpio.co.uk
€€€ Abo €€€
2004-08-03 11:24:28 UTC
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***@quickwatchsales.com raved thus:

:: PMW - pulse width modulated - you can get converters into rs232 from
:: various places such as www.obd-2.com
::
::: Where do I find info about how to link up the computer to the
::: engine's management system.Information on ECU etc.
::
:: With one of the above.

Here's a cool idea which I would do (if I had the time, money, don't think
the lease company would be too happy etc. etc).

Fit an in-car PC with all the usual gubbins.

Now rip out the dash instruments and stick a second monitor in there, then
plug the OBD2 thingumy into the car PC, fire some virtual instruments up on
the dashboard and away you go. Never seen that done before. Plus you could
customise it for various applications: on a track day? Do away with the
speedo and just have a huge rev counter! Ooh, ooh, or make your own heads up
display!

Or are my fingers typing faster than my brain is thinking here (as usual)...
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MeatballTurbo
2004-08-03 11:07:52 UTC
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Post by €€€ Abo €€€
Ooh, ooh, or make your own heads up
display!
I think the clear plastic from a CD case has sufficient
opacity/imperfections to make it usable as a HUD.

Sure I read it somewhere.
--
The poster formerly known as Skodapilot.
http://www.bouncing-czechs.com
Q***@quickwatchsales.com
2004-08-04 12:21:25 UTC
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Apparently on date Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:24:28 GMT, "¤¤¤ Abo ¤¤¤"
Post by €€€ Abo €€€
:: PMW - pulse width modulated - you can get converters into rs232 from
:: various places such as www.obd-2.com
::: Where do I find info about how to link up the computer to the
::: engine's management system.Information on ECU etc.
:: With one of the above.
Here's a cool idea which I would do (if I had the time, money, don't think
the lease company would be too happy etc. etc).
Fit an in-car PC with all the usual gubbins.
Now rip out the dash instruments and stick a second monitor in there, then
plug the OBD2 thingumy into the car PC, fire some virtual instruments up on
the dashboard and away you go. Never seen that done before. Plus you could
customise it for various applications: on a track day? Do away with the
speedo and just have a huge rev counter! Ooh, ooh, or make your own heads up
display!
Or are my fingers typing faster than my brain is thinking here (as usual)...
Oh you can go to extremes on this, the technology is there even though cars are
somewhat bespoke and getting the screen working right is a bit of a trick.
Also, the controls are unsuitable at the moment, you can't fiddle about with a
mouse while driving.

Here's another bit of kit worth acquiring, to go with the OBD
http://www.roadtune.co.uk/acatalog/RoadTune_Products.html

I've toyed with the idea of doing this on the V8, with a couple of cheap ipaqs
for touchscreen control units and customisable displays, combined with a PC
screen behind the dash glass in place of an instrument panel.

There's a whole bunch of things to add, you've got your EMS system monitoring
the drive train, i.e. automatic gearbox, engine, temperatures and so forth. You
can add GPS for absolute position finding and INS for precision monitoring of
accelerations, speeds, tyre performance, etc. You can add things like
smart-tyre sensors, little gadgets that you fit to the wheel rims that radio a
receiver to tell it the current tyre air pressure and temperature, temp and
pressure sensors in different places in the oil galleries / coolant tubes / air
intakes, brake pads, discs, and so forth. An internet connection to download
traffic information in real time so you can act on it, e.g. via the mobile
phone data communication as well as actual voice calls with a hands free, radio
muting function.

Then you have, as you say, a customised application displaying all this
information in a suitable way, e.g. when navigating, you care about a map of
where you are, maneouvres coming up, direction, speed, fuel range, eta, and
similar bits of information. On a track day, it's all about tyre forces and
stressing the engine, brake temps, etc. Maybe a multifunction indicator-type
lever to control the display and a button to select which one you wish to view.

Maybe the system has wireless internet, so that other cars can communicate with
each other and pass on information to save bandwidth. Screens have to change
brightness for night driving, so an ambient light sensor, and you can track
your car via the GPS / accelerometer and mobile phone data output so it's hard
to steal.

It can only be a matter of time before manufacturers include all this as
standard. Microsoft suggested it back in the nineties, but it didn't catch on
then as people thought it would mean their cars crashed a lot.

http://www.microsoft.com/automotive/windowsautomotive/default.mspx

So long as it is easy to reboot and does not control critical functions like
brakes, I can see a lot of potential in this type of thing, I just wish MS
wasn't likely to be the provider... ;)
Doki
2004-08-04 13:14:19 UTC
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Apparently on date Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:24:28 GMT, "€€€ Abo €€€"
Post by €€€ Abo €€€
Post by Q***@quickwatchsales.com
PMW - pulse width modulated - you can get converters into rs232
from various places such as www.obd-2.com
Post by Paul
Where do I find info about how to link up the computer to the
engine's management system.Information on ECU etc.
With one of the above.
Here's a cool idea which I would do (if I had the time, money, don't
think the lease company would be too happy etc. etc).
Fit an in-car PC with all the usual gubbins.
Now rip out the dash instruments and stick a second monitor in
there, then plug the OBD2 thingumy into the car PC, fire some
virtual instruments up on the dashboard and away you go. Never seen
that done before. Plus you could customise it for various
applications: on a track day? Do away with the speedo and just have
a huge rev counter! Ooh, ooh, or make your own heads up display!
Or are my fingers typing faster than my brain is thinking here (as usual)...
Oh you can go to extremes on this, the technology is there even
though cars are somewhat bespoke and getting the screen working right
is a bit of a trick. Also, the controls are unsuitable at the moment,
you can't fiddle about with a mouse while driving.
Here's another bit of kit worth acquiring, to go with the OBD
http://www.roadtune.co.uk/acatalog/RoadTune_Products.html
I've toyed with the idea of doing this on the V8, with a couple of
cheap ipaqs for touchscreen control units and customisable displays,
combined with a PC screen behind the dash glass in place of an
instrument panel.
There's a whole bunch of things to add, you've got your EMS system
monitoring the drive train, i.e. automatic gearbox, engine,
temperatures and so forth. You can add GPS for absolute position
finding and INS for precision monitoring of accelerations, speeds,
tyre performance, etc. You can add things like smart-tyre sensors,
little gadgets that you fit to the wheel rims that radio a receiver
to tell it the current tyre air pressure and temperature, temp and
pressure sensors in different places in the oil galleries / coolant
tubes / air intakes, brake pads, discs, and so forth. An internet
connection to download traffic information in real time so you can
act on it, e.g. via the mobile phone data communication as well as
actual voice calls with a hands free, radio muting function.
Then you have, as you say, a customised application displaying all
this information in a suitable way, e.g. when navigating, you care
about a map of where you are, maneouvres coming up, direction, speed,
fuel range, eta, and similar bits of information. On a track day,
it's all about tyre forces and stressing the engine, brake temps,
etc. Maybe a multifunction indicator-type lever to control the
display and a button to select which one you wish to view.
Maybe the system has wireless internet, so that other cars can
communicate with each other and pass on information to save
bandwidth. Screens have to change brightness for night driving, so an
ambient light sensor, and you can track your car via the GPS /
accelerometer and mobile phone data output so it's hard to steal.
It can only be a matter of time before manufacturers include all this
as standard. Microsoft suggested it back in the nineties, but it
didn't catch on then as people thought it would mean their cars
crashed a lot.
http://www.microsoft.com/automotive/windowsautomotive/default.mspx
So long as it is easy to reboot and does not control critical
functions like brakes, I can see a lot of potential in this type of
thing, I just wish MS wasn't likely to be the provider... ;)
You'd need a navigator to operate it all though...
dojj
2004-08-04 15:51:13 UTC
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you sure it's a bob engine and not a boa?
tiwn chain and octopus inlet for the bob as opposed to the nomrla set up you
find under most sierras with singe chain and square top end
Post by Paul
Hi,
As a TVR S1 owner I have put a Ford Scorpio Cosworth 24 Valve engine in my
car.
It is a 2.9 BOB engine and I am looking for all information on the engine I
can get.
So whatever info you got will be most welcome.
Especially I am interested in how the engine can be diagnosed.
What kind of protocol is used (RS232 with a VT100 terminal) or is it
something more special. Specific diagnostic software. Where can I get find
it in case this is necessary?
Where do I find info about how to link up the computer to the engine's
management system.Information on ECU etc.
Thanks in advance,
Joost van der Velden.
(Using my friends e-mail address).
Q***@quickwatchsales.com
2004-08-04 19:44:44 UTC
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It's from a Scorpio donor, so the engine will be a BOB:

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/24valve.htm

The Granadas had the BOA.

There's tonnes more information about the Scorpio and BOB engine around that
website, (I know it because I've got one as well, of course.) It's not spam,
because it's an owners club site and doesn't sell anything. :)


Apparently on date Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:51:13 +0100, " dojj"
Post by dojj
you sure it's a bob engine and not a boa?
tiwn chain and octopus inlet for the bob as opposed to the nomrla set up you
find under most sierras with singe chain and square top end
Post by Paul
Hi,
As a TVR S1 owner I have put a Ford Scorpio Cosworth 24 Valve engine in my
car.
It is a 2.9 BOB engine and I am looking for all information on the engine
I
Post by Paul
can get.
So whatever info you got will be most welcome.
Especially I am interested in how the engine can be diagnosed.
What kind of protocol is used (RS232 with a VT100 terminal) or is it
something more special. Specific diagnostic software. Where can I get find
it in case this is necessary?
Where do I find info about how to link up the computer to the engine's
management system.Information on ECU etc.
Thanks in advance,
Joost van der Velden.
(Using my friends e-mail address).
dojj
2004-08-04 20:59:33 UTC
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i know all about the site :)
been about for agers and ages
but to use the bob engine you need stand alone manegement to make it run,
otherwise you need to figure out a way to disable the PATS or you will be
left with the whole car loom and key to use it
and seing as no one has done it before, it's quite an achievement if he has
:)
Post by Q***@quickwatchsales.com
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/24valve.htm
The Granadas had the BOA.
There's tonnes more information about the Scorpio and BOB engine around that
website, (I know it because I've got one as well, of course.) It's not spam,
because it's an owners club site and doesn't sell anything. :)
Apparently on date Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:51:13 +0100, " dojj"
Post by dojj
you sure it's a bob engine and not a boa?
tiwn chain and octopus inlet for the bob as opposed to the nomrla set up you
find under most sierras with singe chain and square top end
Post by Paul
Hi,
As a TVR S1 owner I have put a Ford Scorpio Cosworth 24 Valve engine in my
car.
It is a 2.9 BOB engine and I am looking for all information on the engine
I
Post by Paul
can get.
So whatever info you got will be most welcome.
Especially I am interested in how the engine can be diagnosed.
What kind of protocol is used (RS232 with a VT100 terminal) or is it
something more special. Specific diagnostic software. Where can I get find
it in case this is necessary?
Where do I find info about how to link up the computer to the engine's
management system.Information on ECU etc.
Thanks in advance,
Joost van der Velden.
(Using my friends e-mail address).
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